Charlie Chan Message Board Archives

Threads Initiated in October 1997


**Charlie Chan Carries on (1931) Found?!!
 Posted by mike_mokrycki
 on October 01, 1997 at 13:27:32:

  Charles Mitchell in the Oct '97 issue of Classic Images
  reports that VSI (Video Specialists International) has
  uncovered the Spanish version of Charlie Chan Carries
  On (1931), entitled, Eran Trece. I have written to VSI
  about information regarding this title (no response
  yet).  I am hopeful they will make this film available
  to all collectors. For info, contact VSI at Video
  Specialists International 182-CI Jackson Street Dallas,
  PA 18612  717-675-0227 

 Re: Charlie Chan Carries on (1931) Found?!!
  Posted by Brian Lovejoy
  on October 01, 1997 at 16:57:33:

   Mike,

   Super Sleuths also sells C.C. Carries On (Spanish
   version). If you want their address it's farther
   down on the b board or e-mail me.

   Brian L. 

 Re: Charlie Chan Carries On (1931) Found?!!
  Posted by Mike_Mokrycki
  on October 03, 1997 at 09:42:39:

   Brian/Chris...Thanks for the info. I plan to obtain
   the film ASAP. If anyone has a copy they wish to
   sell please let me know. By the way, are there any
   other "now lost" early Chan films available as a
   foreign-language film (ex Spanish or German, etc.)?
   Let me know.

 Re: Charlie Chan Carries On (1931) Found?!!
  Posted by Gary Crawford
  on October 03, 1997 at 10:49:19:

   Just another quick note on the Spanish "Carries
   On". I've seen it.....and if you don't speak
   Spanish you will still be able to follow it pretty
   well if you view Charlie Chan's Murder Cruise first.
   This was basically a remake of Carries on with some
   variations. That Spanish Chan is so cute and roly
   poly...looks rather odd, but the tape I viewed had
   pretty good quality. Good luck.

 Re: Charlie Chan Carries On (1931) Found?!!
  Posted by Karen P
  on October 04, 1997 at 14:55:09:

   I think the movie is actually in Portugese 

 Re: Charlie Chan Carries on (1931) Found?!!
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 02, 1997 at 14:26:06:

   The Spanish version, which by the way has totally
   different actors from the English version (i.e.
   no Warner Oland), and is in Spanish without sub-
   titles, is also available from Jim Buffington at
   Sarjim Video Services (search the list archives
   below and he also has a web page). Chris Ellis 

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**Charlie Chan movie posters
 Posted by Claude Litton tel 212-685-0530
 on October 02, 1997 at 15:21:13:

  I have a large collection of original movie posters.
  I buy, trade and sell. I am looking for any material
  from the early movies and Charlie Chan in Honolulu.
  I will pay top dollar. Please call Monday through
  Friday from 8 am to 3 pm, eastern time. 

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**Cartoon hard to find
 Posted by Omar Charif
 on October 03, 1997 at 08:47:12:

  Always no news about "Amazing chan and the chan clan"
  the Hanna-Barbera cartoon. First date was 09/09/72
  on CBS saturday morning.
  Some fans say it can be still on air now"in Cartoons
  network! A real mystery... It became a comics in
  1973. 
  "Original needle of death still in pocket"
  (Charlie at the wax museum) 

 Re: Cartoon hard to find
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 04, 1997 at 06:03:36:

   It doesn't seem to be on The Cartoon Network now.
   (I just checked.) I'm sure it will show up there
   eventually, since they run through all of the old
   Hanna-Barbera cartoons.

   If you want to keep an eye out for it, I suggest
   you use one of the online television guides --
   I've found 3 or 4 free ones on the internet,
   including one at http://www.directv.com -- and
   you can probably find more searching through
   infoseek. I'd be glad to tape them for you when
   they show up again. 

   -- John Betancourt

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**QUESTION PLEASE
 Posted by BOB MEEHL
 on October 03, 1997 at 13:28:26:

  THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MANY U.S. (MYSTERY) FILMS
  STARRING AN ORIENTAL AS THE ORIENTAL SLEUTH WHO
  SOLVES THE CASE, EXCLUDING SILENT EFFORTS. THE ONE
  THAT COMES TO MIND IS KEY LUKE AS MR. WONG. I WAS
  SURPRISED TO DISCOVER ANOTHER AND THIS ONE 
  FEATURED A FEMALE IN THE LEAD. I BORROWED A
  FRIEND'S TAPE OF "WHEN WERE YOU BORN" STARRING
  ANNA MAY WONG AS MARY LEE LING, WHO CRACKS THE
  CASE USING ASTROLOGY. IT'S A BIT CORNY, BUT I
  REALLY ENJOYED IT. HAVE ANY OF YOU SEEN IT?
  THIS BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION. I ASSUME MANY
  OF US WHO ENJOY THIS WEB-SITE ARE FANS OF OTHER
  OLD MYSTERY FILMS. ANYBODY FOUND ANY OTHER SITES
  RELATED TO "THE OTHER" SLEUTHS? OR IS OUR 
  CHARLIE THAT UNIQUE?

 Re: QUESTION PLEASE
  Posted by chris ellis
  on October 03, 1997 at 15:23:59:

   Dear Bob: I have not found any other web sites
   related to detective series other than John
   Betancourt's Mystery Movie Page (web address
   can be found elsewhere on this message board).
   Chris Ellis.

 Re: QUESTION PLEASE
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 04, 1997 at 05:54:17:

   The url is http://www.sff.net/people/wildside

   Unfortunately, I haven't been able to put as much
   time into it (yet) as I'd like. I added a few
   pictures last week, though. (New baby here . . .
   he's taking up all free time!)

   -- John Betancourt

   PS -- Anyone interested in trading old mystery
   movies can e-mail me for my list.

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**'rare' early chans wanted!
 Posted by Matt Stephens
 on October 07, 1997 at 04:42:09:

  Looking for best available copies of 'Black Camel'
  and 'Behind The Curtain',who offers the best video
  copies? 

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**Fears felt when Actor Disappears!
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 07, 1997 at 14:06:52:

  The following story ran in the Los Angeles Times
  newspaper in 1934BC ( before Chan).

  FEARS FELT WHEN ACTOR DISAPPEARS

  Unreported at the MGM Studios in Culver City where
  he was scheduled to appear early yesterday to work
  on an important feature production, fears were
  expressed that Sidney Toler, film heavy, may have met
  with foul play or a serious traffic accident. Toler
  left his home at 7965 Fairholm Dr at 8AM yesterday
  and told his wife he was going direct to the studio.
  When he failed to arrive at noon a search was started
  but nothing could be learned of his whereabouts. All
  police stations, hospitals and known meeting places
  for actors were checked to no avail 
  End of Article. . 

 Re: Fears felt when Actor Disappears!
  Posted by Joseph S. Devaney
  on October 09, 1997 at 14:17:33:

   That story is really bizarre. I wonder where 
   Toler was during this period. Can "Toler" really
   be called a "film heavy?" 

 Re: Fears felt when Actor Disappears!
  Posted by Glenn Malme
  on October 14, 1997 at 12:48:57:

   John - I agree with you, the story is weird but you
   have to remember this took place before Sidney even
   thought of becomming Chan .He did some heavy roles
   as well as light comedy before becomming Mr Chan. I
   guess the characterization as a "heavy" was the just
   the view of the writer of the newspaper article. i
   have more on Sidney to follow soon. 
   Glenn 

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**Toler-Chan contract covers Two Years
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 07, 1997 at 14:20:49:

  The following article appeared in the Los Angeles Times
  newspaper of October 17, 1938.

  TOLER-CHAN CONTRACT COVERS TWO YEARS.

  Curious fact about Sidney Toler, who was selected for
  Charlie Chan last Friday, is that he was the first
  actor to be cited for the part at the 20th Century Fox
  studio.  But nothing came of it until he was seen in
  "Up the River". 

  Toler's comedy gifts figured largely in the final
  decision, since Chan must have a dependable and quaint
  humor.

  Contract is for six pictures in two years, and the
  studio can re-sign Toler at the end of that time. So
  Chan will go on more or less perpetually, 

  End of article.

  I think the comment that Sidney was the first actor
  to be cited for the Chan part means he was the first
  one tested after Warner's death. 
  Can anyone identify the exact date of Sidney's
  selection? What was the Friday before the date this
  article appears?
  That date should be noted in historical Chan facts.

  Glenn Malme 

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**Chan Posters & such
 Posted by Chris Ellis
 on October 08, 1997 at 09:36:09:

  Since there seems to be some interest in Chan posters
  on the page, I thought that viewers might be interested
  in a new book published by Bruce Hershenson. He is one
  of the leading dealers in rare movie posters and in
  fact, organizes all the major auctions for Christie's
  in NY and LA. In any case, he has just published a book
  entitled Crime Movie Posters which provides full colour
  repros of rare and not so rare but good looking posters.
  Of special interest to Chan fans is that there are four
  pages in this 81/2" by 11" book devoted to Chan posters
  including reporductions of 9 Oland posters and 5 Toler
  Posters as well as title lobby cards for 10 different
  Monogram Chans featuring Toler and Winters. The Oland
  posters are quite sdpectacular and include several I
  have never seen before for at the Opera and In Shaghai
  as well as for lost Chan's such as CC Chance and CC's
  Greatest Case. In addition, since most Chan fans also
  enjoy other detective series, it is notable that there
  are many posters/lonbby cards reproduced for Falcon
  (two pages with 12 posters and four lobbies, The Saint,
  The Thin Man, Sherlock Holmes, Philo Vance with William
  Powell, a Hidegarde Withers, a Mr. Moto and several Mr.
  Wong lobbies and a poster. The reproductions are
  exceptional, although small in some cases. I think it
  sells for $20.00 and can be ordered from bruce
  Hershenson in Missouri at (417)256-9616. Chris Ellis. 

 Re: Chan Posters & such
  Posted by Claude Litton
  on October 18, 1997 at 22:43:21:

   I have all the posters shown in the book and
   many more. Anyone interested in them can contact
   me.

 Re: Chan Posters & such
  Posted by Claude Litton
  on October 18, 1997 at 22:46:19:

   I have the posters Chris is talking about and many,
   many more including some duplicates for trade of
   sale. I interested contact me by email or phone
   212-685-0530 

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**BBC Question?
 Posted by M Psarakis
 on October 08, 1997 at 12:29:52:

  Since the BBC Mystery series with Miss Marple, Sherlock
  Holmes and Hercule Poirot have become enormously
  popular, I was wondering if anyone knows of any plans
  for BBC to perhaps recreate the six Charlie Chan novels?
  If someone hasn't suggested it, they should consider it.
  Regarding feature films, considering the lack of any great
  mystery series in the last fifty years, this is something
  they should consider. My goodness, if you can bring the
  Brady Bunch to movies, a new series of Charlie Chan
  movies with an all-star cast (ala Murder on the Orient
  Express) would be terrific. I wonder what actor could
  play Charlie Chan properly? Pat Morita comes to mind,
  knowing full well that Charlie Chan (unlike perhaps
  Poirot and Holmes) has a jolly nature and a sense of
  humor. (a side note - I wouldn't mind seeing Jeremy
  Irons playing Sherlock Holmes in a feature movie
  either). 

 Re: BBC Question?
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 08, 1997 at 16:50:01:

   Well, there is one thing I've noticed about the
   BBC productions . . . they are adaptations of
   works by BRITISH authors!

   Regarding feature films, considering the lack of
   any great mystery series in the last fifty years,
   this is something they should consider. 

   ?? I would argue that there are several great
   mystery series within the last 50 years. The 4
   Margaret Rutherford "Miss Marple" movies from
   the 1960s . . . and Charlie Chan, for that
   matter, lasted into the 1950s! If you limit it
   to 20 years, your point is valid. :)

   Part of the problem is that there is no longer a
   need for series feature films. Television has
   supplanted them. And there are certainly plenty
   of great TV mystery series from within the last
   20 years.

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**Charlie Chan Research is Paying Off!!
 Posted by Jack Cleveland
 on October 08, 1997 at 18:35:13:

  I am taking a sabatical and have spent the last week
  doing research at the Library of American
  Broadcasting at the University of Maryland.
  Specifically I have been looking through a Broadcast
  periodical from the 1930's called Radio Daily. I've
  been focusing my research on the Chan series on
  radio in 1937-38. This is the one that some of you
  might have copies of with the Deacon Jessup plot
  line... Anyway, have found lots of interesting
  stuff, including the name of the actor who played
  Chan. Here are two side items I thought folks
  reading the Message Board would enjoy:
  1. From the Los Angeles Column, pg. 4-
  "...Irving Fogel has been presented with an honorary
  badge as Inspector in the Honolulu Police Department
  in recognition of his services in publicizing the
  force through his promotion of the "Charlie Chan"
  radio series, world rights to which are controlled
  by Fogel. Unique routine was followed in the
  presentation, with KGU in the Island city broad-
  casting delivery of the badge to the Captain of the
  China Clipper, who, in turn,delivered it to Chief
  Davis of Los Angeles, who presented it to Fogel with
  due ceremony on a KEHE broadcast employing an air
  check of the original presentation in Honolulu..."
  6/20/38

  The second was freom the same column on 8/28/38,
  just 3 weeks after Oland's death. It mentioned
  a radio dialect actor named Charlie Lung testing
  for the part of Chan for Oland's replacement at
  20th Century Fox.

  It's amazing how much about Chan is unknown, and the
  effect the character had on life in the 30's. I will
  continue to share information about the radio series
  as I get it... The radio actors name who played Chan?
  Gentlemen by the name of Cy Kendall... More later. 

 Re: Charlie Chan Research is Paying Off!!
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 10, 1997 at 09:42:53:

   I believe I know of Cy Kendall who played CC on
   radio. He was also a stage actor (Pasadena
   Playhouse) and appeared in over 100 films in
   mainly supporting roles. He was a rather portly
   gentleman who died in 1953. I do not think he
   appeared in any Chan films but he shows up in
   other series detective films -- he has a role
   as a druggist in Power of the Whistler with
   Richard Dix and appeared in no less than three
   Boston Blackie films with Chester Morris, After
   Midnight with Boston Blackie in which he played
   a lead heavy, and Alias Boston Blackie and The
   Chance of a Lifetime. In the latter two films he
   played Jumbo Madigan who was a pawnbroker friend
   of Boston Blackie's and was a recurrent character
   (although not always played by Kendall) in several
   of the BB films. Chris Ellis. 

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**Bob Rich's Chan package
 Posted by Chris Ellis
 on October 09, 1997 at 13:23:33:

  I received Bob Rich's package of stuff on Warner
  Oland and his house in Southboro, Mass (advertised
  below on page). What I found most fascinating is
  that the person who bouth Oland's house was none
  other than Warner Baxter who starred in his own
  detective series, the Crime Doctor, at Columbia
  beginning in the early 1940's. Chris Ellis. 

 Re: Bob Rich's Chan package
  Posted by Brian Lovejoy
  on October 09, 1997 at 14:31:49:

   Warner Baxter also starred in Behind That Curtain
   1929 . This was the first film to introduce the
   character Charlie Chan ... who was played by E.L.
   Park. Boris Karloff was also in it.

 Re: Bob Rich's Chan package
  Posted by chris ellis
  on October 09, 1997 at 15:31:52:

   I forgot that Warner Baxter is the lead in Behind
   That Curtain -- it is such a disappointing movie
   I like to forget it!!  Of course, there were
   earlier Chan's such as the Pathe serial "House
   Without a Key" but like the CC's Chance, CC Carries
   on, etc. it is also lost. Chris Ellis. 

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**"CC" On AMC
 Posted by Bill Lutters
 on October 13, 1997 at 14:43:03:

  Yours truly i.e. "humble self" would love to hear
  your thoughts (all subjective opinions valid) on your
  favorite Chan film and favorite actor portraying the
  great "CC".  After watching "Racetrack" and "London"
  on AMC my very humble opinion is that Mr. Toler is
  "THE Definitive" Charlie Chan!
  Thanks to ALL that contribute to this GREAT page!
  --Bill Lutters
  PS:Both above mentioned films were still enjoyed
  very much! 

 Re: "CC" On AMC
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 14, 1997 at 10:49:53:

   I was actually disappointed in these showings -- I
   thought the quality of the film prints was sub-
   standard.
   "Racetrack" had a noisy, staticky soundtrack, and
   "London" was a little washed out. Still, they were
   better than the copies I had in my collection, so I'll
   be keeping these as my permanent copies! I just
   expected more from AMC.

   I also wouldn't have paired these two films together
   (or, if they had to go together, would have run
   "London" first, since it's so slowly paced. It's my
   least-favorite Oland film. It should have gone first,
   since more people would be awake to catch a 7:10 AM
   showing of "Racetrack" -- clearly a much better movie!)

   Both Toler and Oland are good, but Oland remains my
   favorite by a slim margin, probably because I saw him
   first as Chan. 

 Re: "CC" On AMC
  Posted by John Getty
  on November 14, 1997 at 16:38:35:

   I confused. Oland was in "Racetrack" and "London",
   not Toler.
 
 Re: "CC" On AMC
  Posted by bill lutters
  on November 15, 1997 at 09:57:45:

   So sorry humble self was so vague! After seeing
   Oland in those films made me appreciate Mr. Toler
   so much more.
   Thanks, Bill 

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**Chan Marathon?
 Posted by mark koldys
 on October 14, 1997 at 20:17:08:

  I just read an unconfirmed report that AMC is planning
  a 27-hour marathon of the Fox Chan films.

  Don't know any more than this but will report when any
  unusual events permit themselves the luxury of
  occuring.

  mk 

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**CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
 Posted by Ken Neigut
 on October 15, 1997 at 11:30:25:

  I just received CC in Shnaghai from Saturday Showcase
  (supposedly 9/10 on their rating scale of quality) and
  it is essentially unwatchable with bending and
  distortion of the picture from top to bottom despite
  adjusting tracking. I was wondering if anyone else
  has had better luck with this film from them or
  others. The other films I ordered WERE watchable
  but still not as good as others I have gotten from
  Super Sleuths. Thanks. 

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by Joseph S. Devaney
  on October 15, 1997 at 18:42:36:

   Try Cinema Classics. I just received an order 
   from them including Shanghai but have not
   had the chance to view it yet. I have always 
   been satisfied with Cinema Classics. Once I
   got a bad copy of City in Darkness and they 
   replaced it with no problem. All the others were
   fine. 

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by chris ellis
  on October 17, 1997 at 09:56:37:

   Dear Joseph: Do you have an address or phone number/
   e-mail for Cinema Classics? I can not seem to find it
   on the message board anywhere but it has got so long
   I may just be missing it in the archives!! I also
   agree that several of the Saturday Showcase films
   which they rate "9" need to be reevaluated as their
   "9" includes a wide range of variation. Some 9's
   such as Mysterious Intruded in the Whistler Series
   are really good whereas others such as The Devil's
   Mask in the "I Love a Mystery Series" and most Lone
   Wolf entries are really difficult to watch because
   they are so fuzzy, etc. -- I have not ordered any
   of their Chan's rated less than 91/2 and have been
   pleased with those but the ones rated under 91/2
   can vary widely. On the other hand, when I have been
   unsatisfied with a product they have been very helpful
   and accomodating so return anything you think is not
   good enough given the rating.
   Chris Ellis. 

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by John Getty
  on October 27, 1997 at 15:56:29:

   I am very disapointed with the 5 Cinema Classics
   Chan's I bought, In one of them you can actually see
   someone jostle the film projector, and then jump up
   and step in front to steady the table taht the
   projector was on. Obviously they pirate the films by
   video taping a 16mm projection of the films. Also,
   they were running a promotion where you got a sticker
   for each film you buy. You were supposed to be able to
   buy one film a month for 12 months, then get a free
   film. They constantly sent either the wrong sticker, or
   no stcker at all. Finally they told me that they dis-
   continued the promotion "due to lack of interest". I
   would say that the lack of interest was on their
   part! I am very unhappy with them. Does anyone have
   someone else to recommed??

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by Charlie Bennett
  on October 15, 1997 at 20:46:23:

   I purchased SHANGHAI four years ago from DICKENS
   VIDEO and it's the same way, this title must be
   from the same supplier-they're all BAD! Let's hope
   that AMC will run this title soon. IN LONDON aired
   last week on AMC and was pretty good (compared to my
   copy, also from Dickens!) Tell AMC that you what to
   see more, maybe it will be a weekly thing like tarzan
   and blondie! CB 

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by Brian Lovejoy
  on October 16, 1997 at 06:24:15:

   I bought Shanghai from Super Sleuths a few years ago
   and it had numerous projector jumps as to make it
   irritating to watch. Shanghai might be a title where
   there are not many good masters out there. You might
   try Eddie Brandt's Saturday Matinee. 

 Re: CC in Shanghai--Saturday Showcase copy
  Posted by Bob Meehl
  on October 16, 1997 at 08:30:18:

   Along these lines, have any of you tried Chans
   from Jim's Rare Serials & B-Westerns? They put
   three on each tape for $27.95 (2 for $50). For
   example, their tape #CC104 has Monte Carlo, 
   Paris, and Shanghai on it. They (what a 
   surprise!) specialize in serials and westerns,
   but also have almost all the Chans and Boston
   Blackies. Their web-site is:
   http://users.aol.com/rareserial/charlie.html
   As more of these sources keep popping up, it's
   nice to hear about their quality of product.

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**Charlie Chan Quiz
 Posted by Michael Leath
 on October 16, 1997 at 23:46:51:

  I got absolutely none of the answer correct when I
  took the Charlie Chan Quiz. And you thought you
  were the formost authority on Charlie Chan. Well I
  guess you'll have to just envy my unequaled wealth
  of Chan information.  I sure miss Saturday nights
  and the Chan movie of the week on Channel 11 in
  Dallas, Texas 

 Re: Charlie Chan Quiz
  Posted by Brad Gibson
  on November 17, 1997 at 21:45:42:

   Where was the quiz? 

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**Cinema Classics CC In Shanghai
 Posted by Joseph S. Devaney
 on October 17, 1997 at 14:18:43:

  Chris: 
  I don't have a copy of Cinema Classics address
  and phone number with me here now. I will post it 
  tomorrow.

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**AMC Marathon: Nov 29
 Posted by mark koldys
 on October 17, 1997 at 19:05:18:

  The subject sez it. 27 hours of the great classic
  Fox Charlie Chan films. Stock up on tapes! 

 Re: AMC Marathon: Nov 29
  Posted by Brian Lovejoy
  on October 17, 1997 at 19:50:06:

   Open the champagne !! Are we gradually prying open
   the lid ?? 

 Re: AMC Marathon: Nov 29
  Posted by Roy Klinger
  on October 18, 1997 at 08:33:11:

   great news. I just looked at AMC site and they havn't
   posted it yet. How good is your source?

   Roy

 Re: AMC Marathon: Nov 29
  Posted by Kurt Schmidt
  on October 18, 1997 at 09:17:14:

   Mark was the first to alert the CC Board as to the
   October Chan films on AMC-- I hope his source is as
   reliable on this good news!

   Kurt

 Re: AMC Marathon: Nov 29
  Posted by mark koldys
  on October 18, 1997 at 16:20:32:

   Two sources have reported this, one of them the
   publisher of "Video Watchdog" magazine. So I'd
   say mark your calendars! 

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**"CC" Marathon
 Posted by bill lutters
 on October 18, 1997 at 12:01:33:

  If the news about a "CC" marathon is indeed true,
  humble self would like to congratulate the Charlie
  Chan Page "regulars" who I believe are somewhat
  responsible for this. By all means open up the "bubbly"
  and give yourselves a pat on the back. I hope this
  celebration is not premature. I have already started!! 

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**Charlie on AMC
 Posted by Dick
 on October 19, 1997 at 10:02:42:

  According to the TV section in today's paper, two more
  Charlie Chan movies, Paris and Honolulu, will be shown
  early next Sunday on AMC, a the same times AMC carried
  Charlie Chan movies today and last Sunday.

  Dick 

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**Title change
 Posted by Vince Donnelly
 on October 19, 1997 at 12:28:43:

  Can anyone out there tell me why the title change by
  monogram on Meeting At Midnight/black Magic thanks 

 Re: Title change
  Posted by Glenn Malme
  on October 20, 1997 at 16:12:13:

   I have a feeling that religious groups may not have
   liked the first title, thats all I can figure.

   Glenn Malme

 Re: Title change
  Posted by gary crawford
  on October 21, 1997 at 11:07:08:

   I had always heard that there was a problem with the
   title in England and that Meeting at Midnight was the
   British title....and , if you look at the opening
   titles of some of the Monogram films that Ted Turner
   has released on tape and on laser disc, the main titles
   are headed by a british company, indicating that the
   best prints ted turned up were british prints. who
   knows. I may be way off the beam on this.

 Re: Title change
  Posted by Glenn Malme
  on October 21, 1997 at 14:39:42:

   One copy of "Meeting at Midnight" that I have has
   the original title at the opening, " Black Magic"..
   I have another copy with "Meeting at Midnight" at
   the opening. 

   Glenn Malme

 Re: Title change
  Posted by Donald Baraf
  on October 21, 1997 at 22:13:09:

   I would bet that the reason for the title change
   was that another movie with the same title was
   produced and the company that produced it paid
   Monogram to change the title. I haven't checked
   Maltin but wasn;t there a "Black Magic" movie with
   Orson Welles? 

 Re: Title change
  Posted by Glenn Malme
  on October 23, 1997 at 11:08:33:

   You could be right, I think there was an Orson Wells
   film with that name 

   Glenn 

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**Sidney's Secrets
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 20, 1997 at 16:46:04:

  The following article ran in the Los Angeles Times
  newspaper in mid 1939. The writer was Jimmie Fidler
  who was a gossip columnist at the time. Are you
  ready for this folks?

  It's amazing how completely a make-believe
  characterization, if repeated often enough, can
  influence an actor's off screen personality. I've
  seen it happen time and time again, but never
  more strikingly than in the case of Sidney Toler,
  who for the past year has been playing Charlie
  Chan. 

  A year ago, he was a bluff hearty individual who
  had an inexhaustible fund of stories which he told
  so well that he was always the conversational
  centerpiece of any group of bon vivants. He wore
  sport clothes noisy enough to excite the envy of
  Jack Oakie, spiced his sentences with a liberal
  sprinkling of up-to-date slang and robust profanity
  and was, in short, very much a "man about town".

  I would have bet my bottom dollar then that nothing
  could change Sid Toler - and I would have lost for
  he has become the real life prototype of the
  fictional Chinese sleuth.

  Instead of talking, he listens. His voice has become
  quiet and melodious. He affects sober, dark colored
  suits.  Quaint phrases and word inversions have crept
  into his diction. And he lards his conversation with
  little gems of philosophy in the most approved
  Confucian style. All that's left of the old Sidney
  Toler is his big white automobile.

  I don't think anyone has changed so amazingly as
  Sidney Toler as the new Charlie Chan. 

  -END-

  What do you think of this as an insight into Sidney
  Toler? This looks thru the clouds of 60 years of time... 

 Re: Sidney's Secrets
  Posted by JOHN GAVEL
  on November 02, 1997 at 07:25:00:

   GEE, I FIND THAT NOT SURPRISING. ACTORS ARE 
   SENSITIVE TO THEIR PUBLIC IMAGE AND IT DOESN'T 
   SURPRISE ME THAT SIDNEY TOLER WOULD START TO 
   APPEAR MORE CHAN LIKE IN PUBLIC. HE SEEMS TO HAVE 
   GONE BEYOND PROJECTING A CONGRUENT IMAGE THOUGH. 
   THIS MAY BE PART OF METHOD ACTING, AS IN LIVE THE 
   ROLE AND IT IS EASIER TO EXECUTE ON SCREEN. IT'S 
   A THOUGHT. YOU MIGHT TRY TO FIND A PARALLEL, I 
   WONDER IF ALL THE COWBOY STARS WHERE SO HORSEY 
   BEFORE THEY ACHIEVED FAME? 

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**Oland Flick
 Posted by Kurt Schmidt
 on October 23, 1997 at 10:51:57:

  Hello All,

  Wanted to recommend an old silent film that a bout
  with insomnia gave me a chance to see this morning.

  (I guess "old silent film" is kind of redundant, eh?)

  A young, dapper and lean Warner Oland plays a very evil
  landowner in 1927's "Old San Francisco." With Delores
  Costello as a persecuted landowner's lovely daughter.

  Anyway, Oland is great as the meanie whose big
  secret and eventual cause of downfall is that he's
  actually a Chinese "passing for white" who has a
  dwarf brother that he keeps locked up in a cage!

  A WB film, complete with great earthquake sequence. 
  Oland is very, very good. It was on Turner Classic
  Movies, which we FINALLY got on our cable system
  recently. Anyone wanting to see Oland as a baddie
  should check this one out.

  (click here for screen cap)

  Regards,

  Kurt
   
 Re: Oland Flick
  Posted by JOHN GAVEL
  on November 02, 1997 at 07:15:30:

   AS YES, CONCUR WAS VERY INTERESTING FLICK. WHAT
   CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS THAT HIS MUSTACHE WENT
   DOWN WHEN HE WAS CHINESE AND UP WHEN HE WAS NOT! 

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**Obit for Mrs Toler
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 23, 1997 at 11:16:19:

  The following Obit ran in the Los Angeles Times
  on October 8, 1943.

  SIDNEY TOLER'S WIFE DIES

  Private funeral services were being arranged yesterday
  by Pierce Bros Hollywood Mortuary for Mrs Sidney Toler,
  wife of the motion picture actor. Mrs Toler died
  yesterday in a Culver City sanitarium after a long
  illness. Mrs Toler was born in Boston and lived in Los
  Angeles for 18 years. She leaves no children...

  -end

  This was Sidney's first wife. More to folllow. 

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**AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
 Posted by Brian Lovejoy
 on October 23, 1997 at 16:19:21:

  The schedule for the November 29, 1997 AMC Charlie
  Chan Festival is at web site :

  www.mysterynet.com/tv/listings/

  Let the celebration begin!!! 

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Kurt Schmidt
  on October 23, 1997 at 23:37:02:
  
   Well, it looks like the only things missing from
   the marathon (of the available Chan Foxes) are
   'Black Camel' and 'Dead Men Tell.'

   On initial examination, it appears that the marathon,
   which runs from 6AM Saturday Nov. 29 til 8:15AM or so
   Sunday, Nov. 30, shows 'Castle in the Desert' twice
   during the 26 hours, but doesn't show 'City in
   Darkness' as part of the marathon at all. (They do show
   it on Nov. 8 and 23.) The current pattern of two Chans
   early Sunday mornings continues in November.

   I'll be arranging all this in (hopefully) an easily-
   readable listing on the CC Cable Guide Page within a
   few days.

   Exciting month ahead for Chanfans-- better than most
   of us had *hoped* for, I'm sure.

   Regards,

   Kurt

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 24, 1997 at 13:38:51:

   Alas, AMC is still not available on cable TV in
   Canada or yet up and running on any Canadian
   satellite server -- I will have to be content
   woith watching the Golf Channel or the Food
   Channel!! Chris Ellis. 

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Roy Klinger
  on October 25, 1997 at 21:59:34:

   Hi Kurt

   As I have scanned the AMC listings I account for 20
   Chan Movies to be shown in Nov. Did I catch them all. 

   It looks like we have hit the mother load!!

   Roy Klinger

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Kurt
  on October 26, 1997 at 17:46:00:

   The listings are now on the cable part of the
   Chan Page--- 

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Charlie Bennett
  on October 24, 1997 at 20:42:37:
  
   Seeing that AMC have been running chans every sunday
   morning in october and they are also running them in
   november, could this become a permanent thing! let's
   hope so!!! Well I'm on my way to stock up on video
   tapes......I will be busy (as we all will be!)taping
   during november, especially on the 29th! AMC ~ thank
   you so much CB

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Bill Lutters
  on October 27, 1997 at 16:49:58:
  
   : AMC ~ thank you so much 

   AMEN!--Yours Truly, Bill Luters 

 Re: AMC's Charlie Chan Festival Schedule
  Posted by Robo
  on November 24, 1997 at 12:56:48:

   Hey itis nice to be able to record all of the Chan
   movies. However, I am still interested in
   purchasing them. I have approximately 6 different
   movies that I purchased from a local retailer.
   They were on Key videos. They come with a case
   dossier and several questions to be answered
   during the show. I know there are more of these
   features on video, but, I need help in located
   them. So, if there are any of you fans that can
   help me please send me an e-mail.

   yours truely 
   esiwest@aol.com

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**Charlie Chan Books
 Posted by Henry (number one son)
 on October 24, 1997 at 21:21:44:

  Any Chan enthusiasts out there interested in discussing
  the Charlie Chan books, favorites, least favorites,
  collecting, buying and selling? 

 Re: Charlie Chan Books
  Posted by Don Rogers
  on October 25, 1997 at 09:51:16:

   I have enjoyed collecting CC books for a while now. I
   started by picking up any book that was CC.  I have
   since collected all 6 novels with dust jackets. I
   haven't been particularly concerned about 1st
   editions, just a good 30's or 40's dust jacket. Of
   particular note is the "Charlie Chan Carries On" novel
   that I have. It was published to co-inside with the
   movie(now lost?) It has several stills from the movie.
   It is quite interesting to see photos from a movie
   that is now lost.
   Another interesting book is the 5 novel book published
   by AVENEL in 1981. It has all of the novels except "CC
   Carries on" This book is still readily available at
   used book stores for between $10 to $15.

   Let me know your interests and focus.

   Don

 Re: Charlie Chan Books
  Posted by Henry (number one son)
  on October 25, 1997 at 17:22:24:

   Don, 

   Thanks for the reply. It is good to find another
   Charlie Chan book enthusiast. It sounds like you
   have some pretty interesting books. I am
   interested in pretty much anything related to
   Charlie Chan in print but with respect to books
   I am trying to locate first editions, especially
   with dust jackets; Chan books signed by Earl Derr
   Biggers; photoplay editions like the Charlie Chan
   Carries On that you mentioned; the Big Little books
   with stories based upon the Charlie Chan comic
   strip and of course though not books, The Saturday
   Evening Post issues in which the novels were
   originally serialized. Well as I started out saying
   pretty much anything related to Charlie Chan is of
   interest to me. Let me know if you have any leads
   on where I could get these things. I would be happy
   to exchange information, etc. Also if there is
   anything you are looking to sell or trade let's
   talk further.

   Thank you,
   Henry 

 Re: Charlie Chan Books
  Posted by Bruce
  on October 26, 1997 at 15:53:52:

   Don:

   I've just started looking for a Charlie Chan book
   with an original dust cover. No luck yet. Any
   direction you can give me, including approximate
   pricing, would be most appreciated.

   Bruce

 Re: Charlie Chan Books
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 28, 1997 at 12:47:38:

   There are some web sites from mystery booksellers
   which often list Chan titles for sale. Dunn and
   Powell is one which posts catalogues of titles
   available including editions tied into film
   releases (Photoplays). Their web site is
   http://www.dpbooks.com/index.htm They also sell
   posters and lobbies for myetery films.
   Chris Ellis. 

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**Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans?
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 27, 1997 at 16:07:06:

  Did anyone see the " Mr Wong, Detective" film that ran
  on TMC over the weekend? That film was made by Monogram
  in 1938, 10 years before the Roland Winters/Chan film"
  Docks of New Orleans" .

  The stories are identical. Apparently, Monogram felt that
  no one would have remembered the screen play being used
  10 years earlier. Even the dialogue was essentially the
  same. I knew exactly what was going to happen and who was
  going to say what while the Wong film was in progress! I
  was really amazed. 

 Re: Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans?
  Posted by J.Giannopoulos
  on October 27, 1997 at 16:32:31:

   Mr. Wong in Chinatown, with Boris Karloff as Mr. Wong
   is the same plot as Docks of New Orleans. I have
   wondered how long before anyone would bring this up.

   Jerry Giannopoulos

 Re: Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans/Shanghai Chest?
  Posted by Roy Klinger
  on October 27, 1997 at 20:30:43:

   Jerry

   I think that the Film your thinking of is The Shanghai
   Chest. That one has the same plot as Mr Wong in
   Chinatown.  Monogram did waste plots, they just
   recycled them

   Roy Klinger

 Re: Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans/Shanghai Chest?
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 29, 1997 at 13:00:34:

   Of course, Monogram did not just recycle scripts from
   other mystery films for their CC films. The Feathered
   Serpent, for example, is a recycling of the Three
   Mesquiteers horror/western flick entitled "Riders of
   the Whistling Skull" and believe it or not since I
   have a copy of that Western, it is almost as bad as
   The Feathered Serpent!!
   Chris Ellis. 

 Re: Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans/The
   Chinese Ring?
  Posted by Roy Klinger
  on October 27, 1997 at 20:58:53:

   Sorry for mistake on Shanghai Chest. The Movie that
   uses the same plot as Mr Wong in Chinetown is "The
   Chinese Ring" ,,, Old age make you make mistakes.

   Roy

Re: Mr Wong/Docks of New Orleans/
    The Chinese Ring?
  Posted by Jerry Giannopoulos
  on November 02, 1997 at 11:43:01:

   Roy,

   Have been CC fan since early fifties, and browsed
   Chan Page since it came out. Just never noticed
   any mention of Mr. Wong movies having same plot
   as CC movies. Old age do cause mistakes in
   Chinatown/Chinese Ring. Thanks for nudge back on
   course.

   Jerry 

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**Charlie Chan Secretly Married
 Posted by Glenn Malme
 on October 27, 1997 at 16:38:20:

  The following article ran in the Los Angeles Times
  on November 12, 1944.

  Charlie Chan Secretly Married

  Sidney Toler, who portrays that wily Chinese sleuth,
  Charlie Chan, in the films, has outwitted Hollywood's
  gossips and columnists.

  The news yesterday of the 54 year old actor's marriage
  at Ventura, Ca last Tuesday came as a surprise even to
  his intimate friends. Toler's bride is Viva Tattersail
  Orkow, 31, a sculptress.

  -end-

  This was Sidney's second wife. This gal could still be
  alive but in her 80s today. 

 Re: Charlie Chan Secretly Married
  Posted by Bill Lutters
  on October 27, 1997 at 17:25:05:

   Sidney Toler married at 54 in 1944 and dead in his
   70's in '47 would someone please explain this? Humble
   self probably has this screwed up to begin with! Thank
   You So Much, Bill Lutters 

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**Later Monogram Chan's
 Posted by Brian Lovejoy
 on October 27, 1997 at 19:29:15:

  Does anyone know who owns the rights to the later Monogram
  Studio Chan's ?

  They are :

  1.The Red Dragon
  2.Dark Alibi
  3.Shadows Over Chinatown
  4.Dangerous Money
  5.The Trap 
  6.Docks Of New Orleans
  7.The Shanghai Chest
  8.The Golden Eye
  9.The Feathered Serpent
  10Sky Dragon 

  I e-mailed MGM Studios about this once and someone answered
  by saying that they released all the Charlie Chan's they
  owned on video. 

  These Charlie Chan's used to be aired on Channel 38 out of
  Boston a few years ago, but they have since stopped
  showing them.

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 28, 1997 at 08:05:27:

   These 4 were released by Allied Artists in the 1970s
   (don't know if they released any others). The
   address on the slipcases is:

   Allied Artists Video
   425 Park Ave.
   New York, NY 10022

   Allied Artists may have bought Monogram -- I'm afraid I
   don't know the history of either studio. But hasn't
   Allied Artists been swallowed by someone else?
   Paramount?

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by Pete E.
  on October 28, 1997 at 11:36:40:

   I believe these are presently owned by "King
   World" (?) in N.J. I'll check my records this
   evening and post the correct name and the location
   in N.J. tomorrow. 

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by Chris Ellis
  on October 28, 1997 at 12:33:24:

   I believe Pete E. is right. They showed the later
   Chan's on a station here in London, Ontario Canada
   about two years ago and all the items were preceded
   by the King World logo/intro -- in fact, I have a
   couple on tape. I believe John is also right in that
   Allied Artists evolved from Monogram. Chris Ellis. 

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by John Betancourt
  on October 28, 1997 at 19:18:39:

   Isn't King World a distribution company? I believe they
   distribute films owned by others as well as things they
   own themselves -- I think they own the Hal Roach Studios
   film library, e.g. So just because they distribute
   something doesn't mean they own it. But (if they don't),
   they'll certainly know who does own them!

   Shall we license them, form a video company, and put
   them out commercially? :D 

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by Pete E.
  on October 29, 1997 at 06:34:10:

   You're correct, King World is a distribution
   company. I don't know if they own the films
   or just distribute them.  BTW, they are
   located in Short Hills, New Jersey. 

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by TIm Lucas
  on October 29, 1997 at 13:04:45:

   King World is indeed a distribution company,
   responsible mostly for daytime talk fare. They
   were the original, if not still the current,
   distributor of the Oprah Winfrey Show. As for
   Lorimar, their back catalogue was absorbed some
   years ago by Warner Bros. A number of Allied
   Artists releases like FRANKENSTEIN 1970 (with
   Boris Karloff) and THE GIANT BEHEMOTH have just
   recently surfaced on the Warner Home Video label;
   these both played on television under the Lorimar
   banner. 

 Re: Later Monogram Chan's
  Posted by Donald Baraf
  on November 09, 1997 at 23:35:54:

   The Monogram Chans are either owned by MGM/UA and
   distributed by Warner Home Video or owned by
   Warner Home Video. The onwership depends on the
   specific title. I believe that the last 13 in the
   order of production were owned by Allied Artists
   and thus acquired by Lorimar and then by Warner and
   the others were acquired by United Artists which is
   now MGM/UA. If King World is involved such
   involvement may be the results of an old license
   entered into by Allied or Lorimar.

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**Chan Movies on Film
 Posted by John Betancourt
 on October 28, 1997 at 19:24:03:
 
  I have a chance to buy 2 Chan movies -- one on 16mm
  film, one on 8mm film. Anyone know what sort of
  pricing guidelines I should use? I have little
  experience with collectible films and want to make
  sure I'm getting a good deal.

  Films are Charlie Chan at the Circus and Meeting at
  Midnight. 

 Re: Chan Movies on Film
  Posted by Bruce
  on October 29, 1997 at 17:15:23:

   Don't know if this will help or not, but some data is
   better than no data. I was once offered a 16mm of
   So This Is London for US$500. I passed. 

   Recently when in London I contacted the British Film
   Institute in an attempt to locate some of George Sander's
   earlier films and they had a copy of Dishonour Bright.
   Said it would cost about 200 to get a video copy made.
   I assume a goodly portion of that was copyright expense.

   Hope this helps a bit.

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**Which Chan? It's a mystery to me.
 Posted by Doug Barclay
 on October 29, 1997 at 22:48:10:

  I need help in solving the mystery of a dusty
  recollection from my distant childhood. I seem to
  remember having seen a Chan movie in which there
  was a seance and a murder was committed using an
  ice bullet. I've culled though the dozen Chans in
  my modest collection ( at least until 11/29) and
  have read through a bunch of Chan plot scenarios
  to no avail. Can anybody help identify the movie
  in question??? 

 Re: Which Chan? It's a mystery to me.
  Posted by Mark Ledbetter
  on October 30, 1997 at 01:13:10:

   I believe that would be Meeting at Midnight/Black Magic

 Re: Which Chan? It's a mystery to me.
  Posted by Bill Eggert
  on November 02, 1997 at 08:48:26:

   That plot sounds vaguely familiar of a CC film I
   seen about 30 yrs ago entitled CHARLIE CHAN'S
   SECRET, & it definitely had a seance in it. 

 Re: Which Chan? It's a mystery to me.
  Posted by Jerry Giannopoulos
  on November 14, 1997 at 11:31:44:

   Meeting at Midnight aka Black Magic

   Jerry 








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